Post subject: Weekly Eppy Discussions: Ep. 1x3 Dislocations

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:39:33

Lookin' For A Home...
Posted by Ernie on 9/17/2006, 10:19 am

Boy howdy! Sarge was sure mouthy with the Major, wasn't he? To me that was out of character for him and should have been the Lt.
When I first watched this episode, it was hard to keep up with. I knew the difference between NVA and VC because I was there. However, you had simple villiage people; VC; NVA; and the well oiled American military machine.

The old man in the ville shooting NVA was not that odd but the VC sniper firing on the NVA was odd then I found out his wife was in the ville.

Sorting it all out was to determine who is enemy to whom! I don't know what the Emmy award was for but this bold show derserved it! Kaj...



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Post subject: Re: Lookin' For A Home...

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:40:00

Posted by Lorna on 9/17/2006, 11:28 am, in reply to "Lookin' For A Home..."

It was certainly one of the bolder episodes, Ernie
especially as it illustrated the Army Command's total disregard for the well-being of the villagers once it was determined that the mission's objective could not be achieved.

However Sarge and Lt. saved the day with the "broken" radio....they were the heroes who risked court-martial because of "unfinished business"



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Post subject: an Emmy?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:40:22

Posted by Annelies on 9/17/2006, 3:07 pm, in reply to "Lookin' For A Home..."

TOD won an Emmy for this episode? Who was there to accept it?



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Post subject: Re: an Emmy?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:40:40

Posted by Ernie on 9/17/2006, 5:17 pm, in reply to "an Emmy?"

I am sorry I gave the wrong impression. I was commenting on the overall show getting an Emmy and not this episode only. TOD (not a single episode) won an Emmy but I am not sure what the Emmy was for. TOD is a great show. Ernie...



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Post subject: Yes an Emmy

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:41:01

Posted by Sgt.Pepper on 9/18/2006, 2:01 am, in reply to "Re: an Emmy?"

They got the Emmy in '88 for Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Drama Series. The episode that was nominated for the award was "Under Seige".



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Post subject: Re: Yes an Emmy

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:41:17

Posted by Annelies on 9/18/2006, 8:06 am, in reply to "Yes an Emmy"

Outstanding SOUND MIXING?? Some of the acting was
soo poignant (Danny asking for forgiveness mother shot kid/Ruiz & the pigeons...)........ sound mixing???????



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Post subject: Re: Yes an Emmy

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:41:34

Posted by Sheila on 9/18/2006, 10:47 am, in reply to "Re: Yes an Emmy"

I think most of us here agree with you. IMO the acting by all the cast in this series is superior to most of the oscar winning movies



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Post subject: Re: Yes an Emmy

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:41:56

Posted by Ernie on 9/18/2006, 10:48 am, in reply to "Re: Yes an Emmy"

You know Annelies, I so agree with you! So many reasons why the show should have won awards and they give one for sound mixing. It was nominated again but I don't know what for. Sarge crying over the dead baby gets my award every time. Kaj...



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Post subject: Re: awards

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:42:15

Posted by craig on 9/18/2006, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Yes an Emmy"

You can read about the awards Tour Of Duty received here on the site already. But you already knew that right!
I know what you mean about so many other reasons why it should have won awards, its just a case of being overlooked at the time I guess, the other tv shows from that time that won were all big ratings hits ,LA Law,Northern Exposure,In the Heat of the Night, Thirtysomething,,,

,,,that said - Dana Delany from China Beach did win twice in the Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series category.



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Post subject: Re: awards

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:42:33

Posted by lovesmyron on 9/18/2006, 5:35 pm, in reply to "Re: awards"

Ernie,
I agree with you 100 percent...Terence Knox was robbed when he did not get the emmy for that episode...that said...the show has to lobby the Emmy board and are only allowed to show so many minutes and they pay a lot of money to "court" the votes for the emmys...the majority of the time, the emmy does not go to the best acting..it goes to the company willing to pay the highest....got that from an insider in the field



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Post subject: Re: awards

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:42:51

Posted by Ernie on 9/18/2006, 6:38 pm, in reply to "Re: awards"

The Academy awards are done like a political campaign. Votes are solicited from the members by calls; ads; and person to person. The members of the Academy are the only ones to vote and to be a member you usually have to be a former nominee or participate in the works of a nominated project. And it is just as frustrating for the average viewer so I have stopped watching all award shows. TOD has won with me and I am not alone! Kaj...



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Post subject: Re: awards

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:43:16

Posted by lindy on 9/18/2006, 6:54 pm, in reply to "Re: awards"

I agree with everything youve all said.
An emmy for sound mixing???... while Im sure the sound mixers deserved their award, and were no doubt thrilled to receive it, the TOD producers/writers and the actors must have all been thinking what the heck do they have to do to get some recognition??? They did such an outstanding job of portraying the servicemen and women who served in Nam???
Thank you all you beautiful ppl for saying Terry Knox was robbed missing out on an Emmy for his acting in Brothers,fathers,sons. I just couldnt agree more!
IMO, ~all~ the actors deserved Emmies. They all *shone* in various episodes.
*Sad to think the Emmys came down to money?
But I think LM is spot on.
While its not right that production companies have to pay for recognition, its the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
I never did get how Dana Delaney and China Beach would win an emmy over TOur of Duty.



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Post subject: Founders Award

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:43:37

Posted by Sgt.Pepper on 9/18/2006, 7:28 pm, in reply to "Re: awards"

There is a little known award that stems from Viewers for Quality Television Shows. Our Mr. Ternece Knox was awarded the Founders award in 1989. No th Emmy's didn't bother to recognize the stars of the show but at least the public did.... and in my book that says a whole bunch. It tells me that Hollywood "Don't know nothin'." The public then as now was truely happy about our guys and their performances... Hollywood better move over cuz the talented are about to come out of the woodwork...
I do agree with all of you about the Emmy's being balderdash... It was good that the sound mixers got a Emmy in '88... but the academy over looked the performances... The office imposters may be able to keep the program out of syndication... but they can not squelch the TOD spirit... As long as we have the DVD's... we can keep the spirit alive for many more years... and then there is the "Reunion"... Get ready for the Oscars peoples...



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Post subject: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:43:59

Posted by lindy on 9/19/2006, 10:00 pm, in reply to "Lookin' For A Home..."

GOSH??? Sorry for taking such an eternity to post my thoughts about this episode Ernie.
I'll start by saying Sarge clearly didnt like Major Rigby at all did he? But I was actually ok with Sarge mouthing off at him. Coz the man deserved to be told that the mission he wanted them to go on, was idiotic.
But I do agree with you Ernie, that Lt probably should have been the one to tell Rigby the mission stunk! I dont know?...Maybe Myron felt like he hadnt been part of the Unit long enough to stamp his authority on the mission or voice his opinion yet?
Maybe he respected Sarge far more than he let on?
Figured a man on his 3rd tour deserved to have his say in things?
He knew Zeke could handle himself.
He sure didnt need any help speaking his mind.
He might have needed rescuing from a courtmartial though, if he'd have gone any further than just mouthing off at the major.
Lucky he had the good sense to know when to back down and go check on the troops LOL.
And I too was confused when I first watched this episode. The NVA were shooting at the Americans, and the VC were shooting at the NVA??? I couldnt figure it out at all...
I love a conversation that Zeke and Lt had..in reference to this...LT: "Are u telling me that it was VC who killed those NVA?" ZEKE replies "Yes Sir. Thats my opinion"
Lt then says something like " Well why dont we all go home and let them kill each other?"
He sure had a point!
It wasnt until the end of the episode, when Langs VC boyfriend showed his face that everything began to make sense to me.
And I still cannot believe how stupid the Lt was, for chasing off after Lang, running off into the bush on his own the way he did?
Zeke must have been wanting to grab the boy and shake him something fierce!
But on seeing how distraught Lt was after the ordeal...he held back.

And the emmy goes to... all of them.
For the group intimidation towards Major Rigby at the end of the episode.
RUIZ: "People are strategic! SUCKER!!!"
MAJOR: "Who said that???.. I demand to know who said that?"
RUIZ: "I did"
Everyone joins in one by one "NO! I did"



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:44:21

Posted by lovesmyron on 9/20/2006, 5:53 am, in reply to "belated thoughts on episode 3"

: Maybe Myron felt like he hadnt been
: part of the Unit long enough to stamp his
: authority on the mission or voice his
: opinion yet?
: Maybe he respected Sarge far more than he
: let on?
: Figured a man on his 3rd tour deserved to
: have his say in things?
: He knew Zeke could handle himself.

I think that Myron was slowly realizing that Zeke had the experience and the knowledge of things that deserved to be voiced. I still find it so hard to believe how young the majority of the guys were who ended up in Nam....life and death decisions at age 19 and knowing that not only YOUR life,but your guys depended on you...that is a heavy burden to bear!



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:44:41

Posted by Ernie on 9/20/2006, 10:04 am, in reply to "Re: belated thoughts on episode 3"

Some greats thoughts on this episode. I must admit I was not tolerant of the Lt. NOT standing up and taking the lead and Sarge doing it. But as you pointed out it was Sarge's third tour and the Lt. was a new kid on the block. Makes sense, but the Major needed to know that his ploy was absurd. However, I do know that if the NVA and/or VC had come back to the ville and found out that the Americans had spared the ville, they would have killed them all and destroyed the ville. So the villiage people were still spared by leaving. Ernie...



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:45:03

Posted by lindy on 9/21/2006, 8:35 pm, in reply to "Re: belated thoughts on episode 3"

I guess the major was right in wanting to move the villagers on? Had they stayed, like you said Ernie, the VC/NVA would definitely have killed them.
Even Zeke agreed with the Major, on that point.
Remember he said to Johnson or maybe it was Baker, I cant quite remember. "I couldnt agree more. But the Majors right. If these ppl dont leave this village, they *will* die"
So I guess it wasnt such an idiotic idea to try and move the villagers. It was just the way in which he expected Bravo Co to move the villagers that was ludicrous.
There were too many unknown factors for them to even think they'd achieve success?
A couple of Chinooks (as Sarge suggested) would have been the safer way to go.
But then thats too much like common sense for the Army?



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:45:23

Posted by Ernie on 9/22/2006, 10:34 am, in reply to "Re: belated thoughts on episode 3"

Oooooohhh! Maybe it's a good thing that Sgt. Pepper did not ask about that quote, huh? My guess was Johnson and Sgt. was talking about Depp. Please, no one tells Sgt. Pepper we don't remember this quote or it's to the corner for us or is it to the chair in the tree? Kaj...



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:45:43

Posted by Pen on 9/20/2006, 12:11 pm, in reply to "belated thoughts on episode 3"

Oh Lindy, the last scene is the best. I just loved it when ole cutie pie Ru said that. First time I saw that epi I lol at that hotshot neanderthal Major with he chest puffed out like a damn rooster. It was just perfect!



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Post subject: Re: belated thoughts on episode 3

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 13:46:01

Posted by lindy on 9/21/2006, 8:43 pm, in reply to "Re: belated thoughts on episode 3"

It was perfect, wasnt it?
As is your description of Major Rigby.
Hotshot neanderthal??? Chest puffed out like a damn rooster.
Can I add that his nostrils were flaring LOL.



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